Daniel Pipes Lecture–Part III
Now the floor opened up to Questions from the crowd. People were instructed to keep their questions to a simple one line thing (rather than make a statement), due to time constraints. They were then allowed a follow-up question.
I don’t have most of the questions written down verbatim, but I tried to capture the important part.
Q: What is your response to the allegations made against you?
A: This all began with a “radical” group known as the Council on American Islamic Relgations. This group is an apologist for terrorist groups, and their leaders want the US to be an Islamic country. [Aside from Josh: for more on CAIR see LGF or this piece by Pipes himself with bibliography]
CAIR maintains a list of quotes and publishes it. Pipes then said something along the lines of that a lot of the criticism comes from “some people who don’t do their own thinking”
Pipes then said that the first victims of militant Islam are muslims; militant/radical Islam has the microphone, loud voices and this includes voices and professorships on college/university campuses.
Q: About the Oslo accords and a peace plan (a request for clarification/elaboration)
Israel made a mistake with Oslo. There shouldn’t be talks until the Palestinians are ready [in other words to stop terror and recognize Israel]. Peace treaties also don’t “trickle down” to influence the public’s perceptions either (look at Egypt)
As for settlements and the “right of return”–no talks until the Palestinians make the initial steps.
Q: How can the War On Terror not be perceived as a Judeo-Christian War against Islam?
A: Add any and all anti-radical Islamists should be added to the coalition.
There’s an intramural war that’ll need to take place within Islam itself, the moderates vs. the radicals–and this battle is for the future of the religion.
This isn’t the first war that’s been fought against an ideology. Look at WWII, then there was the Cold War against Marism-Leninism.
As for the Rummsfeld Memo that got leaked to the press, Pipes commented that there needs to be a counter influence on the Madrasas. Pipes agreed with Rummsfeld that we need to somehow counter their ideas.
Q: On the Patriot Act: is it against “thoughts”? How doesn’t it infringe on Civil Liberties?
[Aside: I was suprised this was asked. Dr Pipes isn't a lawyer, nor does he work for the DOJ...seemed like an odd question]
A: The act is over 400+ pages long; before it was passed Law enforcement couldn’t liase with the military and now they can–which is helpful. Local law enforcement and the FBI now no longer have “firewalls” up between them and are able to share information which can help fight terror.
Q: You (Pipes) say its the aim of the Palestinians to destroy Israel, but how can they improve their live under occupation and the substandard conditions? And what about the “Geneva Accords”?
A: Pipes dismissed the idea of the Geneva accords. Noted what he’d said before about Diplomacy, and said he sees no change in the Palestinan mindset about destroying Israel.
Q: In reference to the following quote [and only the quote] from a 1990 article in National Review (NRODT):
Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene—Source
A: Pipes notes that that was one quote taken very much out of context. It was written in 1990, right after the end of the Cold War–the collapse of communism. Pipes saw radical Islam as the next global threat (to replace communism).
Pipes tells people to read the next paragraph of the article. He says that the purpose of the quote was to show how the French and German perceived muslims at the time. Not Americans–Europeans, mainly the French and Germans. As for the part about hygine–Pipes simply said, look at the contrast in standards of hygine between the US and Germany. Then compare Germany and the Mid-East or Pakistan…that’s all it was.
Then Pipes says something along the lines of, this is what happens when people takes clippings from CAIR and other readings..they never read the article in full (*crowd applauds*).
[Aside: See this page where Pipes responds to CAIRs challenges in detail]
Q: Another question about a quote…What about innocense before guilt? The quote in question was:
‘Mosques require a scrutiny beyond that applied to churches, synagogues and temples”
–Source article
Pipes explained that the gov’t has limited resources and should be scrutinicizing things that are ordinarilly suspect. Look at the Gitmo espionage case. The DoD eventually said it would rescreen all its chaplains, but it would take a while b/c it doesn’t have the resources, rahter than just investigating its muslim chaplains (who are much much smaller in number).
[note: if you read the above article you'll see the rest of what Pipes basically said]
Pipes also argued that as a society were’ becoming hyper-politically correct. We’re not really serious about conducting the war on terror if we’re gonna be this PC.
Q: Seeming that the second biggest terror attack on US soil was perpetrated by a Christian [OKC in '95 and Tim McVeigh] why not be equally stringent about Christian Fundimentalists?
A: Were there a campaign going back 24 years, I’d say to take more action against ‘em.
Our country also isn’t being very stringent about Muslims and terror. Look at the July 4, 2002 shooting at LAX. First it was criminal, then eventually the FBI reclassified it as terror. But the gov’t was hesitant about doing so. They kept trying to downplay it as a disgruntled man See this column too
As for the KKK and anti-abortion groups, they’re a problem Pipes notes. but they’re not threat to the nation as a whole (on the same level as radical Islam). They aren’t on the rise in number, nor do they have any state-sponsors for their actions.
Then returned to the “hygine” topic and said it had nothing to do with ideology.
Q: About the Patriot act: doesn’t t suspend rights?
A: Get realistic (regarding our situation). We may need to moderate things, but only temporarilly, because if we don’t and something happens, we could lose more rights.
*At this point in time, it’s about 1:05-1:10PM and there’s only time for 1 more question
So up to the microphone comes one of my least favorite professors. The head of the peace studies program. I wish I had the quote virbatim, but I’ll have to make do with what I could get.
Q: Isn’t it dangerous to characterize movements in such a binary fashion as being “good” or “bad”? And don’t you think the previous actions of the US may have fed into odious feelings (of the terrorists)?
A: Pipes chuckles. [Then 10 students dressed in black, in front row, stand up, throw up some flyers and walk out of room. crowd starts to boo].
Then Pipes simply said that past American actions have nothing to do with it. Then he says: “militant Islam is an evil ideology and I hate it…and if that makes me binary, then I’m binary”.
*Crowd erupts in applause, cheering, standing ovation. Gordies’ students (a few) congregate around him. People are still clapping. Then crowd leaves the room (people have to get to class–like me)
Outside of Sherman there are ~10 protesters with signs saying “Impeach Pipes from US Institute of Peace”, and another one with pictures of Pipes and Joe McCarthy and it mentions campus watch, then another sign saying “don’t hate, tolerate”. Most people just walk by ignoring it.
And that’s the lecture…